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Sprint fails July 26 deadline for vacating spectrum

David Kuan
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Early Judgment: A filing by Sprint has been surfaced on the FCC website by TIS member Bradley Baker.  The filing details which portions haven't yet been rebanded.  This fulfills criteria 2 as set by the prediction, "Sprint acknowledges it has failed to meet the FCC imposed deadline by end of August 2008."  Sprint is continuing to use the spectrum until all of the incumbant licensees are retuned.  "Sprint Nextel remains committed to completing this important initiative; however, as the information contained herein demonstrates, Sprint Nextel cannot complete 800 MHz band reconfiguration until all affected incumbent licensees complete their individual retuning activities."  Judged at 100%.  -- The Industry Standard

Sprint Nextel Corp was recently granted a spectrum swap with a deadline to vacate the 800Mhz spectrum by June 26, 2008.

As reported by Peter Kaplan of Reuters:

"Sprint is required to vacate the spectrum as part of a larger FCC plan to swap spectrum with public-safety agencies in the 800 megahertz band, a move aimed at minimizing interference between wireless service and public-safety users."

Sprint filed a request to the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) for a deadline extension. 

On Friday, June 20, 2008, the FCC granted Sprint a one month reprieve by extending the deadline to July 26, 2008. 

This is a prediction that Sprint will fail to meet the July 26 deadline for vacating the 800Mhz spectrum. A favorable judgement will be made if one of the following occurs:

1. The FCC makes an official announcement of Sprint's failure by end of August 2008.
2. Sprint acknowledges it has failed to meet the FCC imposed deadline by end of August 2008.
3. Another deadline extension is publicly requested by Sprint on or before July 26, 2008.

Prediction Statistics

Betting Closes:Aug 25 2008Current Consensus:88.59%Total Bets:68
Today's Change:
9.18%
Life Time High:88.59%
Life Time Low:35.43%

Comments

What if Sprint asks for an extension, is denied it, but nonetheless manages to vacate the spectrum in time? Also, what if the FCC accepts Sprint's proposal for a staged transition of the interleaved spectrum to public safety availability?


@TIS, since my original post for the suggestion, I checked the actual FCC documentation and it dictates a number of extensions, some explicit and some are conditional. The shortest extension (30 days) provided was for one provider. Some extensions are actually longer (1 yr). Some are conditional like 90 days after a carrier announces migration ready. As such this prediction will not be as easy to judge. That said, in light of the prediction as it currently states, there should be a date placed on criterias 1 and 2 where to consider the criteria not met. My suggestion is to tighten this prediction up.

@Shiv, the likelihood of the scenario you describe happening between now and 26 is 0%.


Dave, you wrote the original prediction. What would you recommend? 30 days seems OK to me, since that was the length granted last time.


@Eric, I am recommending that the criterias be clarified/modified as follows:

1. The FCC makes an official announcement of Sprint's failure by end of August 2008.
2. Sprint acknowledges it has failed to meet the FCC imposed deadline by end of August 2008.
3. Another deadline extension is publicly requested by Sprint on or before July 26, 2008.

If none of the criterias are met, then an UNFAVORABLE judgement can then be made.


@TIS, why is this being judged? Has any of the 3 criterias been met? If not, the recommendation is to wait until no later than end of August for judgement.


This was automatically put into "being judged" mode due to the "bet closes" date that was chosen.

We didn't do anything, the system did it on its own based on the original setup.


@Eric, can it be undone? Are the recommendations above with August date acceptable for clarification on main prediction verbiage?


I was able to reopen it for another month.


@Eric, can you also modify the criteria statements (with the added August date)?


So which set of criteria are you using? If its the one in the comments section, could you change the prediction's wording?


Criteria updated. Thanks, David/Shiv.


@Eric, thanks for the update.


Critieria 3 is now not met. We are now down to Criterias 1 and 2 and a looming target date of end of August. Was scanning FCC and found out that FCC has extended the waiver by another 30 days on its own accord to review the petition that resulted in the 1st 30 day waiver http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DA-08-1748A1.pdf). That leaves a 6-day window August 26-31 when Critieria 1 or 2 can be met but is sufficient to say that the chances of meeting these prediction critierias have lessen somewhat.


Is Sprint still using the spectrum?
* If so this should be judged a success.
* If they were out of the spectrum by July 26th it should be judged a failure.

If the FCC has publicly announced an extension of Sprint's time, as indicated by David, that would seem to fulfill criteria 1*, even if there's some reason to use tangential judgement criteria such as those listed.

* Assuming, of course, that the FCC didn't make a completely moot announcement of an extension for a deadline when such an extension wasn't necessary.


@Bradley, Criteria 1 has not been met. FCC extended the deadline by another 30 days because it needed more time to evaluate the petition filed by Sprint mid June. This is NOT a judgement of failure.

Spectrum is being cleared based on operators and each has its own deadlines and granted waivers. There are plenty of 800MHz spectrum that needs to be vacated and some goes out to 2009 and 2010. So, to say that Sprint is still using the spectrum is not an effective crteria and would change the intended spirit of the prediction.


Just to reiterate that this order (2nd extension) is not a judgement of failure, excerpts of the order shown below ...

1. In this Order, on our own motion, we extend for an additional 30 days our prior waiver of the deadline by which Sprint Nextel Corporation (Sprint) is required to vacate its spectrum holdings in the 800 MHz Interleaved Band (809-815/854-860 MHz), Expansion Band (815-816/860-861 MHz), and Guard Band (816-817/861-862 MHz) (collectively, Mid-Band). This waiver will extend until August 25, 2008, to enable the Commission to further consider Sprint’s Petition for Relief filed on June 17, 2008. We take this action without prejudice relative to the merits of the Petition.

4. On June 17, 2008, Sprint filed a Petition for Relief requesting that the Commission authorize it to clear its spectrum holdings in the Mid-Band in stages based on the region-by-region progress made by public safety licensees in retuning their systems to the new NPSPAC block. On June 20, 2008, we waived the deadline by which Sprint must vacate the Mid-Band for a period of 30 days (i.e., until July 26, 2008). Today, we extend this deadline by an additional 30 days to provide the Commission with additional time to consider the issues raised by the Sprint Petition.

5. Accordingly, IT IS ORDERED, pursuant to the authority of Sections 0.191 and 0.392 of the Commission’s rules, 47 C.F.R. §§ 0.191, 0.392, Sections 4(i) and (j) of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended, 47 C.F.R. §§ 154(i) and (j), Section 1.3 of the Commission's Rules, 47 C.F.R. § 1.3, and Section 1.925 of the Commission’s rules, 47 C.F.R. § 1.925, that the deadline by which Sprint must vacate the Mid-Band is waived for a period of 30 days until August 25, 2008.

The way I see it, if FCC sees the Sprint's petition does not hold the merit for additional waivers, then they would make a judgement on Sprint and possibly imposing fines (then criteria 1 would pass). If there are merits and FCC grants additional waivers (then criteria 1 would fail). Either way, this determination will take place no earlier than August 26.


So what exactly does Sprint have to vacate, and by when? This has completely morphed from the original prediction.
What if the FCC grants yet another 30-day waiver?
Also, David says "If there are merits and FCC grants additional waivers (then criteria 1 would fail)." But that doesn't change the fact that Sprint would have failed to clear the spectrum.
In my opinion the prediction has already succeeded. Both the possible outcomes outlined by David lead to favorable judgment -
1. "If FCC sees the Sprint's petition does not hold the merit for additional waivers, then they would make a judgment on Sprint and possibly impose fines (then criteria 1 would pass)." Fair enough.
2. "If there are merits and FCC grants additional waivers," then all that this proves is that the FCC has tolerated Sprint's inability to vacate the spectrum. What I mean is, Sprint may not be fined and may be given another chance, but they nonetheless did not vacate the spectrum by July 26.
I would argue that further changing the prediction would not be in line with the spirit of the original prediction, and is unfair for those who bet before July 26. The changes currently being suggested essentially change the prediction to "Sprint officially breaks a deadline set by the FCC." We should be looking solely at the July 26th deadline.


@Shiv, I disagree. All 3 criterias have been stated in the original prediction. The recent update by TIS was to bound criteria 1 and 2 with a specific date (so that a judgement can be readily made by September 1 without any doubt or prejudice). Regardless of what the prediction heading may say, the criterias for judgement are the ones that matter.

The 800MHz rebanding process is a very complex one and it is not a burden that Sprint carries alone. The mandate also imposed on carriers affected to cooperate. Criteria 1 is specified to provide for FCC to make a judgement on Sprint's failure. FCC may deemed Sprint to be at fault or not (i.e. it was carriers, hardware, other local/regional complications that caused the delay).


@David, "This is a prediction that Sprint will fail to meet the July 26 deadline for vacating the 800Mhz spectrum." isn't just title/heading text, it's prediction text.

Regardless, the FCC granting an extension to the extension is a fairly clear announcement of Sprint's failure to have vacated the spectrum in question by July 26th. It doesn't need to be Sprint's "fault" for that failure to have occurred. None of the criteria listed indicate that Sprint is required to be held accountable, liable, or punishable for this prediction to be judged a success.


@Bradley, when I suggested the prediction, I listed the 3 criterias to be used for favorable judgement. None of the criterias have NOT been met for a favorable judgement. When the first 30 days waiver was granted (which forms the basis of this prediction, there were carrier specific waivers that were included which extends to 2009 and 2010). As such, we cannot use complete vacate of spectrum as criteria as the basis itself allows Sprint to continue using the spectrum until 60 days before the intended carrier needs it (which is beyond June 26). That would nullify the prediction as it would have been 100% as soon as it gets into bet play.

Criterias listed are very clear. If FCC faults Sprint between August 26-31 or Sprint admits inability to meet the order (which now goes to August 25), then favorable judgement can be made. Otherwise, unfavorable judgement can be made.


Errata .... I mean to say None of the criterias have been met for favorable judgement


@David: If Sprint failed to vacate spectrum that, as of July 22nd (creation date of the prediction), they were to have vacated by July 26th the prediction should be judged successful. Whether there are ADDITIONAL things that they don't have to do until 2009 or 2010 is completely irrelevant as CLEARLY those items aren't what this prediction is examining.

So modify my first statement to "Mid-Band" rather than "spectrum." Has Sprint vacated the Mid-Band (as of July 26th)? Yes? Failure. No? Success. Have they managed to convince the FCC to give them an extra month? Great, no whomping big fines. They're still using the spectrum and the FCC publicly giving them permission to do so is official confirmation.


@Bradley, the prediction as posted on July 22 had the following statement ... A favorable judgement will be made if one of the following occurs: .... Note the keyword used is "will" and not "can".


And the first of those has occurred. By extending the extension the FCC has publicly announced that Sprint hadn't cleared the Mid-Band spectrum by July 26th.

Talking about OTHER requriements with which Sprint must comply in the next two years is a complete red herring.

Saying that the FCC giving an additional waiver means that Sprint hasn't failed to do what they -- as of July 22nd -- were required to do by the 26th is.... questionable logic at best. Shifting goalposts, clear and simple.


@Bradley, guess we agree to disagree. I have attempted to clarify the position and the spirit of this prediction so I will not rehash them (scroll up for the details). As far as I am concerned, the ROI is about 1 month away and judgement be made then. At this time, the odds are fairly even either way.


hmm... a favorable % spike ... wonder why? The two news I have posted actually is more biased towards an unfavorable judgement.


I think, overall, Bradley has the most compelling argument here, frankly. According to the criteria (and, obviously the title), #1 appears to have been met already. That being said, technically Sprint didn't publicly request the delay nor did the FCC make an official announcement.

So, you see, the prediction titles are the most problematic aspect of most predictions as you all already know. If a title is taken literally, as a criteria (which happens to many people) but the fine print is incredibly specific (which most people demand) there can occasionally be a disconnect. Then, disagreements begin, like in this case.

What we want to have happen is an event to be predicted, where the community bets in favor or against. In a case like this, when confusion seems to be based more off of the technical parameters of the language more than the actual event, we have a couple of options.

1) I can make a judgment call (and, right now I believe - because of the title - that this already occurred).
2) I can try to "kill" the prediction, and pay both sides S$50. No winners, no losers - sort of. It's not a perfect system, really, but kind of meets everything half way.

It's not an easy call. I am dealing with the same issue with the Kindle prediction right now.


If there is confusion about whether the 3 listed criteria happen, then this will have to be judged based on the fact that they did not meet the deadline.

In the prediction it states: "This is a prediction that Sprint will fail to meet the July 26 deadline for vacating the 800Mhz spectrum." It's obvious that Sprint has failed to meet that July 26th deadline, so in my opinion this should be judged favorably.

If there is still uncertainty as to whether they're still using the spectrum (which I'm pretty sure they are, since they don't have to vacate until someone needs to use it) then I think it's fair to wait until the betting closes before judgment is made.


@Eric et al, I am in agreement that the verbiage and title of the prediction could have been better. I am also open to TIS making the ultimate decision one way or another. I can only state the original intention of the suggestion.

As for the Kindle, my original suggestion did not include a redesign as part of the criteria. I am in agreement that the verbiage and title of the Kindle prediction when made playable could have been improved.


@Shiv - incidentally, what is your personal thought process in terms of how you're betting on this prediction (that was hard to say without telling the whole world how you're betting on this one). I've seen your history, and I'm a bit baffled.


@Shiv, if you need/want an infusion of funds, let me know. We can reset accounts, etc., too. We'll be launching the Team Blog later today. We can discuss things over there, if you prefer, or you can reach me at eric [at] thestandard.


Yeah .. Team Blog! Kudos!


That's nice of you to offer, but I'll do it the hard way. Besides, resetting will make risks meaningless. Thanks anyway. You could consider loans, though.


@Shiv - absolutely. Loans are completely feasible. I'm going to give you S$100,000. Later, I can deduct it (in 2-4 weeks) after you've had a chance to grow a bit. Sound good? Or, would you rather tough it out?


@Eric, loans feature eh? Can I borrow a few millions? I am constantly over betting and running low on $. That might be the only way I can ever catch up to our supreme leader Bradley.


@David, I'd rather give @Shiv S$100,000 than run the risk of him trying to start over with a mere S$25 to his name (get frustrated and quit), or starting a totally new account (which would wipe out all of his history and contributions). We're talking about this problem quite a lot: How to work with players who take a huge risk but wipe themselves out. We don't want them to stop playing or create new user accounts - their behavior evens out in the market, but is obviously a fun part of the game, too.

Pulling some money from the bank is the best option. I mentioned to you guys in the past about resetting PM (prediction market) accounts at the end of each month/quarter, etc. I'm not a big fan of that idea, personally, but there are a lot of advantages to it. In a case like @Shiv, though, I don't want to leave him out in the cold. He's too damned good. ;)

Key for me, however, is how to do that algorithmically in the future. Right now, the only way I can do this is through an (easy) manual process. I'd rather create a game rule that does it automatically in the future.

Incidentally, @David, you outperformed Bradley by a significant distance last month in terms of percentage gain. The bigger Bradley's savings grow, the harder it is for him to spend it (or the more conservative one becomes, which is an interesting phenomenon, even with play money, although Bradley is incredibly active).

P.S.
The Team Blog was going to launch today, but there was 1 nagging (sigh) IE6 issue that needs to be resolved. Expect it in the a.m. PT Thursday. Thanks!


I'll tough it out, till loans is a feature available to all. But there's got to be an interest rate charged on the loan- at least 25%. I've been traveling for a while now (holiday!), so I wouldn't be able to use it much anyway. In fact that's why I bet how I did - putting my cash in a risky autopilot. I couldn't see any other way, seeing as a lot of gains are made due to the first-mover advantage (which is why I'm all for non-50% starting odds). Oh well.. prediction: I'll have a million by the end of the year :)


@Eric, I completely understand as I was making the statement in jest. Agree that losing Shiv would be a loss to TIS. I have no doubt that Shiv will make a comeback. I foresee Shiv being one of the monthly winners in the immediate TIS future. I have absolutely no prob with adjustment to Shiv acct as needed :).

I also concur on the fact that as networth gets higher, the harder it is to turn in a high % gain performance. The maximium bet amounts can wreck havoc to ones betting strategy. For the month of August, I am pushing a paltry 75% ($4M->$7M). That is a far cry from my July performance of approx 500% ($6.6K -> $4M). I think I am haeding into a "betting funk". BTW, it would be nice to be able to see the trending of one's networth over time (monthly at least).


"BTW, it would be nice to be able to see the trending of one's networth over time (monthly at least)."

Seconded.

Especially since I don't bother to track my results as carefully as David appears to track his.

Even better if we could drop in 2-5 names and have them charted on the same graph. But now I'm just getting feature-greedy.


@Bradley., the reason why I proposed the trending is because I dont track my results carefully either. The only reason I am remembering these recent numbers is post-Kindle win and to guesstimate what it would take to catch up with you :). After August, I think the numbers will become a blur to me.

An extension to your multi-member trending, would be nice to be able to do so within one's connection (at least). Think feature recommendation should be an item in the planned forum (with ability for members to vote).


Awesome ideas, guys. By the way - behold: http://www.thestandard.com/blog

Finally!


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